Peppermint ([info]inki) wrote,

Border Wars: Swinging and Polyamory

These are the notes for a presentation I gave at the Building Bridges conference in October '04. The presentation deals with the often strained ideological relationship between polyamory and swinging.

Introduction

Border wars are identity definition struggles in the murky area between two sexual identities. In this paper/presentation, I will discuss the overlap between swinging and polyamory, the various viewpoints involved, and how the process of identification in our culture leads to tension between identity communities. I will be focusing on the view of swinging from polyamory, because that is the viewpoint I have the most experience with, and it demonstrates the idea of a border war well.

Mainstream Views

If we draw out a community diagram of swinging and polyamory, it usually looks like this:



This diagram is basically a community or identity diagram. Some people consider themselves poly, some people consider themselves swingers, and some hold a place in both communities. Also, they generally agree that what they are doing is not monogamy.

There are of course folks who would disagree with this drawing. For example, various swingers and poly people define monogamy in emotional instead of sexual terms and call themselves monogamous. Some poly people think that there is no way to swing and still be poly. However, the above seems to represent a common viewpoint of people who have experience or knowledge of both communities.

Unfortunately this is not also the view from the mainstream. Due to the long history of swingers and various forms of media attention, swinging is definitely known to mainstream U.S. culture, though perhaps not well understood. Also, swinging is definitely demonized in the wider culture to some extent.

Polyamory however is still widely unknown in the larger culture. The word has existed for less than two decades, with almost zero media coverage, and so it has comparatively less currency than swinging.

So, if we were to draw the view of the communities as seen from the mainstream, we would get a diagram like so:



In other words, any form of consensual nonmonogamy is swinging. Furthermore, swinging operates as a general oppositional bucket for the mainstream to throw descriptions of nonmonogamy into. If you're aboveboard, and you're not monogamous, you must be a swinger.

(I've left Mormon polygamy out for these purposes, since people aren't likely to consider their neighbors polygamists whatever their behavior. Also, for this entire presentation I have not addressed issues of cheating/affairs/adultery, as they form their own special imposed category.)

This presents a problem for poly people, and it will continue until polyamory has visibility in its own right. When a poly person tries to describe polyamory to the uninformed, the typical reaction is "so you're swingers?". The confusion of polyamory with swinging of course carries with it the mainstream's negative connotations of swinging that have been built up over the decades.

Also, while the direct comparison to swinging shows up sometimes, other times it is more subtle but still present in underlying assumptions. For example, people will often assume that you are looking for recreational sex simply because you are consensually nonmonogamous. In addition, explaining to the uninformed is only one situation where this shows up, but poly people often have difficulties with this in other situations, for example when they are looking for dating partners the people they contact may assume they are trying to swing.

As a side note, immediate identification with swinging is only one of a set of misunderstandings with negative baggage. "Cheating" and "sinning" are two others, and I am sure there are more.

Behavioral Distinctions

When non-swinger poly people are faced with this comparison to swinging, they get kind of defensive, and their defensiveness is understandable. First, they do not actually identify as swingers, nor do they participate in the swinging community, so the identification is incorrect. Second, swinging has managed to gain a somewhat negative reputation in the mainstream over the decades. Poly people, being from the mainstream on some level, share this negative view of swinging.

So, poly people faced with the question "so you're just swingers?" usually come up with a no answer, and then try to distance themselves from swinging. Usually they do this by attempting to define swinging and polyamory in such a way that they are clearly distinct. Unfortunately, they are extremely difficult to distinguish this way. I have included some common tactics here, along with some rebuttals that illustrate the kind of murkiness we are dealing with.

"Swinging is about sex, polyamory is about love."

Plenty of (though not all) poly people will tell you that, actually, polyamory is about sex as well as love. In some ways, sex is where the rubber of polyamory really hits the road: because monogamy is defined sexually in our culture, an opposition to monogamy (polyamory) is almost required to definitively include a sexual component. Similarly, at various points in history and in various subgroups, swinging has included love or emotional attachment. This is not a distinction which clearly leaves some people or behaviors on one side and others on the other.

"Swinging is having sex parties, polyamory is about having relationships."

I keep having sex parties, and I am poly, and I'm not a swinger. The people attending my parties are almost entirely poly-identified, so the parties are definitely poly sex parties. Similarly, swinging couples can form long-term friendships with other couples or singles in a manner that strongly resembles poly couple dating. Some swingers never go to parties. And really, if we think of relationships as relating over time instead of identifying as "in a relationship", it is clear that swingers have relationships.

"Swinging is just about having fun. Polyamory is serious."

I hope most poly people are having fun. And the swingers I've met have all been perfectly serious about what they are doing. Often they are quite committed to swinging, to the point of only dating other swingers.

"Swinging is sexist (and/or homophobic)."

Plenty of poly people are sexist and/or homophobic. Plenty of swingers (and swing scenes) are not.

Note that these distinctions are somewhat or very negative towards swinging. They reproduce the mainstream's conception of swinging, for the simple reason that the poly people coming up with these distinctions are usually not swingers, and so the mainstream idea of swinging is really all they know about it.

Also note that these distinctions are entirely based on people's behavior, doubly so if we consider people's emotional actions to also constitute behavior. Our culture defines sexual identity based on behaviors, so when attempting to distinguish two sexual identity groups, we tend to focus on the behaviors of the group. I will discuss this in depth below.

Similarities and Differences

There are real similarities and differences between the two communities. However, the similarities actually tend to eclipse the differences. This is because both communities are trying to solve the same problem: compulsory monogamy. Because they are working against the same cultural imperatives, the two communities tend to employ similar strategies and behaviors.

For example, both groups have a certain defensive reaction towards single men. In swinging this shows up as a common "no single men at parties" rule. In polyamory, there is more of a vague dissatisfaction with or fear of single men, with individual people (usually women) often declaring that they will not date men who do not already have a partner. These are both defensive reactions to underlying issues of gender, power, and possessiveness in our culture.

If we take the long perspective, both groups are also really employing the same behaviors, which is again not too surprising since they are opposing the same cultural system. In both communities, people form short-term and long-term sexual and/or intimate friendships and relationships.

This is nicely illustrated by the common definition of polyamory, "open responsible nonmonogamy". Leaving aside the "open" part for now, we can certainly say that swinging is responsible nonmonogamy, and therefore may well qualify for inclusion under the polyamory umbrella, much as that might trouble both groups. In fact, there was a round in the poly community of trying to create a new term, "poly*", that includes any responsible nonmonogamy, and which definitely included swinging.

We can discuss tendencies ("swingers are more likely to go to sex parties") but these are just tendencies, and they do not provide the clear distinction that satisfies people confronted with the "so you're a swinger" question. Also, even with tendencies there are a lot of murky areas and questions. For example, since we definitely lack reliable data, I cannot say for sure that swingers are more likely to go to sex parties than poly people. In fact, if you based your understanding of polyamory on my circle in San Francisco, you might conclude the opposite.

There are other very real differences between the two communities, but those differences are cultural and ideological. If you sit down and talk about nonmonogamy with members of each community, you will have very different conversations. Different ideas are emphasized. Polyamory and swinging tend to spread or grow through different subcultures and methods (though both depend heavily on the internet). There are different attitudes to be found in the two communities. For example, male bisexuality is less tolerated in the swinger community, and there are very few entirely same-sex swinging venues (though there are groups and individuals who are definite exceptions, and the overall attitude seems to be changing).

The Problem

The truth is that when we are talking about behaviors, drawing a nice solid line that separates all the swingers from all the poly people is impossible.

When poly people respond to the swinger question in this way, it causes problems. First, it directly harms the relationship between the two communities, as swingers see these negative remarks as evidence that poly people are full of themselves. Second, it harms the people who live in both communities. Swingers who are also poly are often not out in the poly community because they (correctly) perceive a negative attitude towards swinging.

Third, because of the distance between the two communities caused by the invisibility of the crossover population and the negativity, it is difficult to get the swinger and poly communities to work together. This is sad, because the two communities have common opposition: the same laws will be used to punish us, the same prejudices will cause our bosses to fire us, and so on. Also, because both communities are sexually nonmonogamous, we share concerns and needs in common, the only the most obvious of which are STD knowledge and prevention tactics.

Identification Distinctions

The easy way to distinguish between swinger and poly people is to focus on identity and community. Swinging and polyamory are two mostly separate communities and two definitively separate communities.

Let's start with community-based distinctions. Here are some things that a non-swinger poly person might say:

"Swinging is a different nonmonogamous community that I am not a member of."

"I don't consider myself a swinger because I don't spend time with swingers or in the swinger community."

Similarly, identification-based responses might be:

"Some poly people are also swingers; I am not one of them."

"Swingers have a valid but different take on nonmonogamy than poly people."

Note that I had to add some positive reinforcement to both of the identity statements. This is because simply stating "I am not a swinger" inevitably comes across as defensive, even when it is factually true and the person is not defensive. If we remember that swinging is a negative category when viewed from the mainstream, this makes sense. It is similar to saying "I am not gay" or "I am a heterosexual", which tends to always lead one to believe that the speaker is at least uncomfortable in their sexuality. If they were not, would they have to say this? Similarly, "I am not a swinger" sounds more like a denial than anything else. Tempering it by reminding the listener that swinging is not actually a problem helps.

There are other positive ways to answer this question. I am starting to see people challenging the questioner's understanding of swinging, for example. "How would you know what swinging is like? Have you ever been a swinger?" If poly people can remember that they need to not put down swinging while distancing themselves from it, it is pretty easy to do.

Sexual Identity

What we are stumbling across here is a basic problem with the way we understand sexual identity. On the one hand, sexual identity is judged in our culture based on behavior. It is sleeping with the same sex that makes you gay, lesbian, or bisexual. It is enjoying BDSM play that makes you kinky. It is having or wanting multiple relationships that makes you poly, and so on. On the other hand, identity is supposed to represent an immutable truth about the person that comes from within, and has all sorts of implications for the person's past, future, and personality. The result is that people in sexual minority identity categories are forced into a constant struggle to maintain that their behavior places them in their identity, or that their identity actually matches their behavior. And this is not some sort of abstract struggle, but a question that strikes to the core of their being.

Swinging is not quite in the same sexual minority class as LBGT identities, because the implications of swinging to the person are not imagined as being as complete and overwhelming as LBGT identities. People move more (conceptually) easily into and out of the swinging community, and they are not as likely to imagine that their swinging represents something crucial in their being or life. (We can make a similar argument for polyamory, even though polyamory has adopted much of the language of LBGT liberation: poly people are more likely to consider polyamory as something they do rather than something they are, when compared with LBGT folks.) However, swinging effectively functions like a sexual minority identity, and as we can see it runs into some of the same problems that other identities experience.

There is a medical history which has produced this current problematic identity crisis. Originally, homosexual identities were imposed on patients by doctors. The doctors would base their judgment of homosexuality on the behaviors of the patient, but the identity once imposed would have implications reaching straight into the patient's soul, would define their past behavior in a new light, and would produce horrible pronouncements on their future happiness. We have not really abandoned this model. We try to identify sexual identities in ourselves and others based on behavior, but the identities in turn are imagined to represent something crucial about a person's essence. To put in more bluntly, we are doctors diagnosing minority sexual identity in ourselves and others, and imposing wide-ranging conclusions based on those diagnoses. This is difficult, particularly on people who identify as sexual minorities.

Border Wars

There is a general category of sexual minority infighting called a border war. (I have borrowed the term from Judith Halberstam's book Female Masculinities,.) A border war happens when two sexual minority identities overlap enough that it is difficult, from a more mainstream perspective, to distinguish between them. Halberstam specifically discusses butch lesbians and formerly lesbian FTMs.

It is not too difficult to find other border wars out there. Arguably, homosexuality and bisexuality have been in a long-running struggle for the last couple decades. Historical medical practice has conflated bisexuality with homosexuality, but at the same time the modern bisexual category is wide enough that it could theoretically engulf many gay and lesbian people (and straight folks), if applied based on behavior alone. The result is a certain ongoing tension between the two communities, which is nowhere near resolution.

A border war occurs because of the basic identity problem I have described above. Each identity group in the border war strives to distance itself from the other through descriptions of the other identity's behavior, performance, or appearance. These lines in the sand are inevitably inaccurate, since the two identities do in fact overlap to some extent and separating them via presentation or behavior is impossible. Furthermore, the cross-claims tend to create tensions between the groups, who should otherwise be allies due to their strong similarities.

For individual people in the border war, the repercussions are serious. Typically a person in one or the other identity category has strong personal reasons for needing to distance themselves from the other category. In Halberstam's example, the very gender of the participants is at stake. As a result, they put serious effort into the project of delineating the communities, but the tendency to base this delineation on performance dooms the effort, with a negative result on both sides.

Respecting Identities

As sexual identity categories get more numerous, complex, and specific, we will see this sort of problem more. To give you some idea of the scope of the problem for nonmonogamous identities, here is a more complex version of the picture I showed you earlier:



I tried to overlap these as much as they actually do, but I was limited by two dimensions, so some community overlap that should be there is missing. Also, I am sure that I have missed some nonmonogamous identities or subcultures, for example communal marriage. Some of these are strong identifications and others are not so strong or are incidental to other identifications. Also, note that we could draw equally complex diagrams for sexuality and gender.

What should be clear from this picture is that people find a lot of different ways to be nonmonogamous. This is understandable - monogamy is harsh on many people, and they will create solutions that are contingent on and specific to their particular situation, personality, community, or inclinations. People disinclined to monogamy for whatever reason will use whatever nonmonogamous ideological tools are available to them.

The solution to this mess is simple - avoid behavioral distinctions, and remember to respect the identifications of others, even if we don't understand those identities well. People are particularly attached to their identities, because those identities allow them to live their lives the way they want to. Getting in petty squabbles over who belongs or does not belong in a particular identity keeps us from focusing on our similarities.

Also, it is important to remember that the negative attitudes and stereotypes we are dealing with are coming from mainstream understanding. With that in mind, it is important to avoid relying on mainstream myths for our understanding of people in other subcultures. Instead, we should try to educate ourselves by talking to the people in the subcultures or researching. Once educated, then we are able to actually correct mainstream myths when we encounter them.

On that note, the attitude towards swinging within the poly community has improved dramatically in the last 5 years. These days poly people who take a negative view of polyamory are generally shouted down or ridiculed, and relations between the two communities seem to be improving as a result. However, people who are new to polyamory tend to spontaneously reproduce the problems I have described, and they often have to go through a learning cycle before reaching a level of tolerance.

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[info]danaeris

July 7 2005, 21:14:30 UTC 6 years ago

As always, thank you for posting.

BTW, the International Bi conference is in Toronto next year, the week before our Pride. You should come!

[info]inki

July 7 2005, 21:31:33 UTC 6 years ago

I'm planning on it! I'll have to come up with a presentation or two for that one as well. I may be able to recycle something on bisexuality and nonmonogamy that I'm hoping to do this year at Creating Change in Oakland.

I hope you've been faring well out there! I keep up with the LJ, but I'm sure that's only part of your story.

[info]ert

July 7 2005, 23:56:52 UTC 6 years ago

the International Bi conference is in Toronto next year

Really? Cool!

Time to re-out myself to my (Ontario-based) family...

[info]northbard

July 7 2005, 21:22:44 UTC 6 years ago

this is an amazingly useful and insightful piece. May I link to it, and/or memory it?

[info]inki

July 7 2005, 21:32:26 UTC 6 years ago

Yes and yes, of course! And thanks!

[info]rifmeister

July 7 2005, 22:17:12 UTC 6 years ago

I guess I don't "get it". I want to get it, but I don't yet.

I understand that the "typical explanations" given by polys and listed in section "Behavior Distinction" tend to display swingers in a negative light, and that these characterizations are not entirely fair. But I'm not sure what your "solution" is. The distinctions you list in section "Identity Distinctions" seem to amount to "I am a poly. I am not a swinger. Polys and swinger are different communities. That is all I can say." While I agree this is more polite, how does it help someone who is genuinely trying to understand the difference between the communities?

Sorry if my question is too ignorant.

[info]inki

July 7 2005, 23:09:00 UTC 6 years ago

Not ignorant at all - that's a good question. I kept my answers short because usually a short answer is usually all that a person can get across. To some extent, giving a short respectful answer *is* the solution, unless you happen to have entensive experience in both communities, which is rare. It forces people to confront polyamory and swinging as communities or ideologies instead of as behavioral rules.

However, if someone really wants to understand the differences between the two communities, and is willing to take some time, there is of course plenty to talk about. For example:

1) Affiliate communities. Swinging and polyamory tend to draw from different segments of society, though there are always exceptions. For example, a person who is goth or into fetish stuff has a decent chance of being poly, but a small (though real) chance of being a swinger. Polyamory is strongly associated with the bi community, with pagans, with the California new agers, with ravers, with gamers, and with BDSM, among others. Swinging is not associated with these communities. (I'm not sure what underground communities it is associated with, if any. I don't have enough experience in that regard.)

2) History. Swinging got started in the 50's and 60's, and has a lot of echos of the free love society. Polyamory got started in '89, and so has much more influence from queer movements. Due to the history involved, polyamory is much more friendly to bisexual men and queer folk in general. Also due to the history, polyamory is largely designed by women, as opposed to swinging, which as an undertaking draws more from traditional ideas of men's nonmonogamy.

3) Ideology. Swinging tends to be seen as recreation, an add-on to otherwise traditional relationships, that is dependent on core couples. Polyamory is seen as a complete repudiation of monogamy that is centered around multiple relationships (often of equal weight) and based around a sexual minority identity model.

Note that what actually happens in people's lives has very little to do with the ideology, which is why drawing behavioral boundaries is difficult. But the ideology is important none the less.

We can also talk about actual practices, if we are careful to speak in terms of tendencies. For example, poly people are much more likely to move in together in groups of three or more, though most poly people do not do this. Historically, safe sex has been a slightly higher priority in the poly community, though my suspicion is that this is more rhetoric than actual practice. Poly people are somewhat more likely to have the freedom to date completely independently of anyone they are already seeing. And so on.

As you can see, to do this level of description requires actually having experience in both communities, which can be firsthand or secondhand.

Does that help?

[info]rifmeister

July 7 2005, 23:57:32 UTC 6 years ago

Yes, very helpful.

As I now understand, the position is, "Yes, there are differences between the swing and poly communities that can be discussed. However, these differences are quite subtle --- there are more similarities than there are differences. People who are not deeply versed in both communities (and this is very few people) who try to discuss these differences are more likely than not to get it wrong and muck things up, and therefore a good idea for these people is to say something polite and noninformative, such as 'I am poly. Swinging is another valid form of non-monogamy.'"

If I understand it correctly, we actually have very similar issues in the swing dancing community. Hollywood Style vs. Savoy Style, as it were.

[info]inki

6 years ago

[info]ert

July 8 2005, 00:01:18 UTC 6 years ago

I had a conversation with a monogamous friend the other week, and discovered that she had been experimenting with swinging. Over the course of the conversation, it became increasingly clear to me that she really did have a completely different outlook on non-monogamous interactions than I did, in very fundamental ways. Extremely insightful!

I'll have to digest your whole article later tonight. :)

[info]inki

July 8 2005, 00:33:15 UTC 6 years ago

If you're up for providing details on your conversation, I'd love to hear them. I've had this sort of conversation with various swingers (in preparation for this presentation, actually) but they had all had significant exposure to polyamory and so their views of poly and swinging were somewhat "tainted" by poly views of swinging.

[info]mashuta

July 8 2005, 02:48:05 UTC 6 years ago

you're posting! and incidentally, i am coming to SF! i'll be there fri, and again wed-sun. look me up before you go-go :D 781-AMID-COW

[info]inki

July 18 2005, 21:55:19 UTC 6 years ago

Crap! Missed you in all the house-painting madness.

[info]mashuta

July 19 2005, 00:17:19 UTC 6 years ago

still here, but only till early morning tomorrow. :)
just saw the temple, accidentally walked right into it after trying to make the time to see it for days. so nice. wrote a lil something on it.

[info]inki

6 years ago

[info]tgeller

July 8 2005, 19:32:05 UTC 6 years ago

"Swinging is sexist (and/or homophobic)."

I know you're trying to be fair, but in my experience this is invariably true.

Which begs the question, "How are you defining 'sexist'?" I'd say: Where there's a different set of rules for men and women.

That's true 100% of the time among "swingers" I've encountered. It's maybe 85% of the time among poly folk. But that 15% delta makes a big cultural difference IMHO.

[info]inki

July 8 2005, 20:44:24 UTC 6 years ago

My definition of sexist is different than yours:

A sexist situation is one where men have more personal power than women.

The definition of sexist you are using is a conservative reworking of the term used to eliminate the question of power, enabling people to do things like eliminate affirmative action (which increases sexism) under the guise of eliminating sexism. Tricky.

Note that in my definition there's no mention of rules. Different rules are often an *indicator* of sexism, but are not sexism per se. They can be used to offset sexism just as easily as to produce it.

So, swing parties where the rules are different for men and women are not necessarily sexist. In fact, what I've heard from actual swingers I interviewed for this paper is that these days women hold most of the cards at swing parties, because no women equals no swinging. Also, note that we're talking about parties here - a lot of swinging is done outside of parties, and there are fewer or different rules.

Also, in SF there are sex radical sex parties that are most definitely *not sexist*, that often have different rules for men and women as a necessary coping mechanism for the fact that the larger society is sexist.

All that said, I would agree with you that swinging is, on average, slightly more sexist that poly these days. However, the reason is historical and conceptual influences. Specifically, the idea and design of swinging is more "by and for men", and the idea and design of polyamory is more "by and for women". This becomes apparent if you think about men's and women's idealized nonmonogamous situations.

[info]tgeller

July 9 2005, 19:12:33 UTC 6 years ago

We fundamentally disagree. Your definition of sexism furthers "separate but equal" treatment -- the very opposite of the equality historical feminism has striven for.

Yours is the popular definition among self-identified "progressives" these days. I hate it because it goes against my deepest-held beliefs by guaranteeing unequal treatment; it scares me because it's the same self-deluding elitist ivory-towerism that led to Reagan.

[info]inki

6 years ago

[info]tgeller

6 years ago

[info]imlad

July 18 2005, 02:35:44 UTC 6 years ago

Thank you very much for a very insightful article. I was directed here by . One reading is not enough, and I will follow tonight's by another, when I might have something useful to say. I've joined the poly community in the Boston area about 2 years ago with some forays into swing land, and your article gives a very good summary of how and where things stand. Once again, another reading is needed. In the meanwhile, I hope it is okay to friend you.

[info]inki

July 18 2005, 21:28:28 UTC 6 years ago

By all means, friend away! And I'm glad you liked the article.

[info]dietrich

July 19 2005, 03:17:24 UTC 6 years ago

I see my username didn't come through up there. :) That's my new boy, Pepper!

(Hey there. Great article.)

[info]inki

6 years ago

[info]dietrich

6 years ago

[info]inki

6 years ago

[info]edwarddain

August 2 2005, 19:29:49 UTC 6 years ago

Hello there,

Was pointed over here by [info]onesoul and I'm glad she did.

I doing my dissertation on BDSM (it was a toss-up between that and polyamoury) and wrote a paper last year on the intersection of the two cultures. The distinction I made there was I posited an axis (damn those two-dimensional models) of non-monogamy where the descriptive detail was the degree of emotional "commitment" to other partners. At the one end was swinging and at the other was "committed" relationships (pairbond, group marriage, handfasting, whatever).

I think one of the issues that gets lost in the discussion is that a person can have one type? style? of relationship with one person and an entirely different one with another.

Anyways, I'm enjoying reading your papers. Keep up the good work! I may b asking for some more info so I can cite you properly at some point...

[info]inki

August 2 2005, 21:29:48 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Hello there,

Hey, I'll bet you're the Edward Dain that showed up on Minx's Poly Weekly a while back! Excellent to meet you!

If you haven't yet, check out the paper on cheating. It made it into the journal of bisexuality and it's probably the best one in this journal.

I would love to read the paper you wrote on the intersection of BDSM and poly culture. Would you be interested in sending it to me? I would also like to see what comes out of your dissertation. My email address is inki@atg.com. Feel free to contact me for citing info as well.

Also, I will probably start up an online poly webzine later this year - can I keep you in mind as a writer?

[info]edwarddain

6 years ago

[info]inki

6 years ago

[info]edwarddain

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[info]cunningminx

August 3 2005, 17:54:46 UTC 6 years ago

[waves] Hi! [info]edwarddain directed me to your journal. And I can see why! With articles like this just lyin' around on the internet, next week's Polyamory Weekly will be a breeze! If you don't mind my quoting you, with full credit, of course.

Very insightful. I definitely have responded to the, "Oh, you're a swinger" comment with a wrinkled nose and "Euw. Um... NO." I turned to Wikipedia for current definitions of both terms to try and explain my reaction, but let's face it; my reaction was based on 40 years of not-so-great connotation with the word "swinger."

Thanks again for the insight. Adding you as a friend.

[info]inki

August 3 2005, 19:12:10 UTC 6 years ago

Hello! Nice to meet you. I've been catching up on the Poly Weekly installments recently.

I've added you as a friend. (There are few locked sections on my journal, but I'd like to keep up with yours.)

You are welcome to quote and paraphrase me however you want. Thanks for the interest!

If you think I would make a good guest, I would be interested in being on the show at some point, though I'm much better in print than in person. I can talk on the power dynamics of monogamy, poly politics, bisexuality, and the relationship between cheating and polyamory, among other things.

[info]polyweekly

August 4 2005, 02:00:25 UTC 6 years ago

I would love that! Wanna email me off-list at cunningminx@gmail.com?

[info]dietrich

March 10 2010, 17:54:20 UTC 2 years ago

Hey babe, I referred to your article here in my latest column, and grabbed one of the images as well. Hope you don't mind - check it out. :)
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